healthcare bill support sinking - will it pass or fail?

[The Saint]

right pundits. com - Obama Health Care Poll: 49% Against, 43% For; American People Against Obama Health Care Plan

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4583

excerpts from the article

President Obama has accused the Republican party of manufacturing the public resistance displayed at the recent health care town halls. According to liberals, the American people are for national health care. There is supposedly a silent majority not reflected in the town halls that is actually in favor of Obama’s Socialist agenda. However, a new poll Gallup seems to say otherwise. The American people oppose Obama’s health care plan by a pretty substantial margin.

According to the new Gallup poll, forty-three percent of people say they approve of how the President’s handling health care. 49 percent are opposed.

Basically, there has been no real public support for Obama’s health care plan despite the town halls and television specials dedicated to “educating the American people.” Obama, the master of media manipulation, probably thought he could use his power of persuasion to create a ground swell of support for his plan.

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thinks do not look good for mr. obama's healthcare reform bill.

it will be interesting to see if the democrats, pelosi, reid, biden and obama try to ram it through the congress.

if it happens look for the republicans to win big during the mid term elections.

[The Saint]

it appears that mr. obama is not doing a very good job of selling his snake and oil healthcare plan to the american people.

fox news - 'Town Halls' a Chance for the President, Not the Public, to Vent
A look at President Obama's health care "town hall" Tuesday in Portsmouth, N.H., shows the president out-spoke his audience by a margin of nearly 9-to-1 -- hardly the kind of even-handed exchange of ideas that marked the town meetings of colonial America.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/13/town-halls/

excerpts from the article

Much has been made of the chance for true, interactive democracy offered by the freewheeling town hall format that lawmakers are using in health care forums across the country.

But what the White House is calling a "town hall meeting" does not quite follow in the tradition of the public-driven forums that sprouted centuries ago in New England.

It's more like a press conference for the public.

In an orderly fashion, selected members of the audience pose brief questions, and the president elaborates.

And elaborates. And elaborates.

A look at President Obama's health care "town hall" Tuesday in Portsmouth, N.H., shows the president out-spoke his audience by a ratio of nearly 9-to-1.

Here's the scorecard.

Obama: 8,619 words.

Audience: 1,186 words.

That's hardly the kind of even-handed exchange of ideas that marked the town meetings of colonial America.

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so much for the give and take format - how can mr. obama listen to what the PEOPLE are saying if he will not let them speak?

[IronfootMcGurk]

As you know very well, "Saint," in a number of town hall meetings, those masquerading as citizens were doing most of the talking, but there was no communication. Counting words or who speaks them doesn't tell the tale.

As for your question, no. Not yet. Things have to get worse before the majority are moved toward such a bill. It is much closer now than during the Clinton administration. Let American health care fester and stink for a few more years. When the people smell the gangrene, and see the rot creeping up their own limbs, then it will be time.

[lsmith]

As you know very well, "Saint," in a number of town hall meetings, those masquerading as citizens were doing most of the talking, but there was no communication.
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So these people weren't citizens expressing themselves?

I bet they were Canadians trying to salvage the only decent health care on the continent.

[IronfootMcGurk]

Plants or shills or citizens programmed by the GOP puppetmasters (=GOP-Zombies).

No. Lest I be mistaken, I think a poor job has been done in promoting the new health program. They have let it be characterized as something cooked up by the Democrats, instead of by both parties, and that makes it a big target.

If Teddy were still able and active, I think he would have guided it into a true bi-partisan effort. Or not. The houses are way too polarized, as the Sotomayor vote showed. Sotomayor ought to have been confirmed 90-9 or 95-4. That she wasn't shows there is something besides government going on there. Plus some of Teddy's clout in the GOP was through his buddy who recently changed his stripes.

[Wolfman]

From what little I have gleaned from his attempt at health care, he has a bastardized reproduction of health care in mind that isn't working in Canada and will work no better here. Making Doctors unaccessible is not going to help anyone. Government telling you who will and will not get care will never get support I hope. Some bureaucrat with no knowledge of medicine has no business deciding who will get what health care and if there is truth about the care being cut off for the elderly, then this health care idiocy he calls a health care plan should never even have a chance. I haven't seen anything to verify it but I was told that there is a provision for the elderly for counseling concerning euthanasia. Are we just supposed forget that the elderly are people also? There is so much misinformation about the healthcare plan that he has, I doubt that it will stand a a chance in hell and I personally don't believe it is the answer to the problems we have in this country.

[The Saint]

it's appears that there is a revolt within the party of the democrats against mr. obama's, mrs. pelosi's and mr. reid's attempts to ram the proposed healthcare reform bill down the throats of the american people.

Chicago Tribune - Democratic Rep. John Murtha says Congress may miss deadline of passing health bill this year

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/poli ... 0904.story

the Chicago Tribune article.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Pennsylvania lawmaker who is a close ally of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says it's looking unlikely that Congress will pass health care overhaul legislation this year.

Democratic Rep. John Murtha tells WJPA-AM Radio in western Pennsylvania that Congress is going to "do it right" when it comes to passing health care legislation. But he says it's not clear it will get done before January. And he says it may not get done then.

There have been numerous missed deadlines. But the goal of Democratic leaders is to pass a health care bill in time for President Barack Obama to sign it this year.

Murtha says members are telling Pelosi not to rush passage.

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it appears that mr. obama's job experience as a community organizer are failing him in his attempts to turn this great nation into a socialist welfare state.

[trickydick]

Plants or shills or citizens programmed by the GOP puppetmasters (=GOP-Zombies).

No. Lest I be mistaken, I think a poor job has been done in promoting the new health program. They have let it be characterized as something cooked up by the Democrats, instead of by both parties, and that makes it a big target.

If Teddy were still able and active, I think he would have guided it into a true bi-partisan effort. Or not. The houses are way too polarized, as the Sotomayor vote showed. Sotomayor ought to have been confirmed 90-9 or 95-4. That she wasn't shows there is something besides government going on there. Plus some of Teddy's clout in the GOP was through his buddy who recently changed his stripes.

Come on Iron you know this has NOTHING to do with the GOP and it is "something cooked up by the Democrats" . I know to you obama and his followers can do no wrong, but this is wrong. obama has the power to pass this thing right now if he wants. I think instead of poor job of promoting it's a poor plan that we can not afford I would think you should be able to see this

[WYSIWYG]

Puppetmasters sure, Iron. I guess it was GOP'ers that gave Axelrod all of thoseemail addresses. Mine included. So egregious even the ACLU is incensed.

Back to healthcare and the attached article is from the DEMS:

Health Care 'D.O.A.' Threat
Liberal health reform supporters say that without government-run insurance, there is no health reform bill
• Canadacare 'Imploding'


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08 ... re-option/

[The Saint]

fox news - No Government-Run Health Insurance, No Bill, Say Liberal Supporters of Reform

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08 ... re-option/

ecerpts from the article

A health care reform plan without government-run insurance is "D.O.A.," says one left-wing grassroots organizer up in arms about the possibility the Obama administration could abandon its efforts to build a "public option."

Jim Dean, chairman of progressive group Democracy for America, wrote supporters on Monday to tell them to fight any effort to remove a government-run health insurance plan in place of non-profit "cooperatives."

Suggesting insider Democrats and the insurance industry are behind the effort to kill a government-run plan, in his e-mail Dean assumed all Republicans in the House will oppose the health care reform with cooperatives, and with a loss of Democratic support, it would be dead on arrival.

"Let's be clear: A health care bill without a public option is D.O.A. in the House. Period.
To pass any bill in the House they need at least 218 votes but 64 House Democrats have stood up and said they will not vote for a bill without a public option. That means a bill without a public option would only have 193 votes," he said.

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it appears that mr. obama's, mrs pelosi's and mr. reid's proposed healthcare reforms are quickly being flushed down the toilet.