healthcare bill support sinking - will it pass or fail?

[lsmith]

And they call Republicans "Fascist"...

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.g ... tID=153583


Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

[The Saint]

And they call Republicans "Fascist"...

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.g ... tID=153583


Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

the U.S prison system is already filled to capacity to where states are having to release prisoners and now mr. barrack hussien oboner, mrs. pelosi and the democrats want to make it a crime if one does not have acceptable health insurance

if folks can not afford health insurance right now what makes the idiots in washington think that the poor devils will be able to spend $15000 a year to purchase health insurance?

is it even constitutional to force Americans to buy health insurance?

[The Saint]

reuters - U.S. agency sees more health spending with reform

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN111 ... arketsNews

excerpts from the article

U.S. healthcare spending would rise by about $234 billion over the next decade under the Senate Democrats' overhaul bill and some of the proposed savings might never be achieved, a U.S. agency said in a report released on Friday.

It was the latest in a series of reports issued by the agency that oversees Medicare that cast doubt on some of the savings claims made by Democrats about one of President Barack Obama's top domestic priorities

The report, written by Richard Foster, the chief actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said the increase in healthcare spending reflected the impact of millions of newly covered people seeking medical care.

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mr. obama's healthcare plan may not be the answer.

[Firemall]

Considering the Bill is going to Pass does this mean the Flip-Spin side of the DEM-on's bill will move healthcare into a sinking failure??

[The Saint]

politico.com - Left rebels against health reform

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30737.html

excerpts from the article

In a stunning reversal of fortune for President Barack Obama, top progressives are attacking the health-reform plan moving through the Senate as “hollow,” “unsupportable” and a sellout to corporate interests.

Republicans, after plotting for months to sink the signature legislation of Obama’s first year, suddenly think that Democrats might wind up doing it for them.

Most dangerously for White House chances of assembling 60 Senate votes, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean launched a third day of attacks on the emerging bill, arguing in a Washington Post op-ed that it meets none of his benchmarks for “real reform.”

“[A]s it stands, this bill would do more harm than good to the future of America,” Dean wrote, then took to the airwaves to amplify his case.

Ed Schultz, an influential liberal radio host, declared on his “Ed Show” on MSNBC: “The base is restless. They are wandering in the wilderness, Mr. President. … They want to know, where are you? … Right now, Mr. President, your base thinks you’re nothing but a sellout — a corporate sellout, out that. … The only people who like this current bill right now, Mr. President, is the insurance industry — they get a bunch of new customers.”

Markos Moulitsas, founder of Daily Kos, wrote on his Twitter feed: "Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate." And "Kos" blogged: "You pass a s——-y program now that further bankrupts our nation, and we won't be talking about 'fixing' it in a few years, but whether it should even exist."

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it looks like mr. obama's healthcare reform might not pass - the rats are abandoning the sinking ship!

[jross]

I have to admit that I'm not happy or impressed with the Dems. What they're trying to pass doesn't seem to me to be much reform in a positive direction.

I am afraid that the Dems might fritter away a prime opportunity from a desire to get along. If they could get past thinking about the 2010 elections, they might be able to put something reasonably worthwhile together, but it looks like the fear of not getting re-elected might get them not re-elected.

Then we can have the GOP back in power, and have a united front in screwing US again.

I think it comes down to US getting screwed in a blatant , in you face GOP sort of way, or US getting screwed in an apologetic, hesitant Dem sort of way.

Gets old.

[The Saint]

crooks and rats - pay offs and concessions for their votes.

fox news - The Price Is Right? Payoffs for Senators Typical in Health Care Bill

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12 ... alth-care/

excerpts from the article

As a measure of just how typical they are, a slew of payoffs and concessions have been struck over the past several months.

-- Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., won between $100 million and $300 million in additional federal aid for her state's Medicaid population. The deal, secured before she cast her critical vote in favor of bringing the health bill to the floor, was immediately dubbed the "Louisiana Purchase," though the actual Louisiana Purchase was considerably cheaper.

-- Vermont and Massachusetts got $1.2 billion in Medicaid money -- a change that was described as a correction to the current system which exempts those two states because they have robust health care systems. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders also boasted Saturday that he requested and won an investment worth between $10 and $14 billion for community health centers.

-- Western states secured higher federal reimbursement rates for doctors and hospitals that serve Medicare patients. The provision covers the low-population "frontier" states and applies to Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming -- the latter two states are both represented by two Republicans, but ended up as beneficiaries anyway since they qualify. The legislative language defines frontier states as states where at least 50 percent of the counties have fewer than six people per square mile. Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, defended the "special deal," telling "Fox News Sunday" that those five states were getting an increase in reimbursements because they get the lowest amount in the country. "That doesn't offend me at all," he said. "It's in fact, fair."

-- Florida, New York and Pennsylvania -- where five of six senators are Democrats -- will have their seniors' Medicare Advantage benefits protected, even as the program sees massive cuts elsewhere.

-- Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., reportedly secured expanded Medicare coverage for victims of asbestos exposure in a mine in Libby, Mont.

-- One unknown state is receiving $100 million for a "health care facility" affiliated with an academic health center at a university that contains the state's only "public academic medical and dental school." It's unclear for which state that language was written.

-- Nebraska's Nelson won permanent federal aid for his state's expanded Medicaid population, a benefit worth up to $100 million over 10 years. Other states get the federal aid for three years, but Nebraska's benefit is indefinite. His state also got an exemption for nonprofit insurance companies from a health insurance company tax. Many believe this was targeted at Mutual of Omaha, but senior Democratic aides would not confirm that.

Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman didn't extract any payoffs for Connecticut. Rather, he succeeded in stripping the government-run insurance plan from the Senate health bill, along with a proposed expansion of Medicare that he recently said he opposes.

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this is the hope and change and the new way of doing business that mr. barrack hussein obama campaigned on and promised.

[Firemall]

I've been trying for 11 months & 1 day to understand what the deal is with the Nutless repugs not doing one dam thing in protesting the blatant disregard for the Unconstitutional crap "O" & gang are throwing at us other than the usual wimpyass repug lip service..
Considering there should be 30+ democrappers kicked out of office in 2010 , and they obviously are considered by the "O" , Pelosi, Reid gang as collateral loses in the fight for the good of all, [PFFFT] .
I have 4 scenarios to wonder about till then.

1-- The repugs plan on winning the house & senate and will repeal all "O" & gang's socialist , unconstitutionally enacted laws.
2-- The repugs haven't challenged the idiotacracy because they know they are next in line to finish "O"'s bidding's. Because they are the biblical Trojan Horse , masquerading as the gifts of righteousness & freedom while inside they are/were Demonized socialist all along .
3-- The repugs were bought . extorted / blackmailed off from the very start , the same as the Lawyers [ malpractice & constitutional } had to have been paid off.
4-- The demon-crates don't plan on needing a Majority after the next election or even the possibility of not even having an election.
Regardless of which scenario proves true , I fear America is and forever will be a changed nation without hope to build on.
Globalized America -as in --"O" has s*** on America !!

[The Saint]

nbc news - Senate passes historic health care legislation

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34584011/ns ... itol_hill/

the sense of entitlement continues.

[jross]

nbc news - Senate passes historic health care legislation

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34584011/ns ... itol_hill/

the sense of entitlement continues.

I could be mistaken, but I think that this thread is getting close to being obsolete. You going to morph it to try to keep it going, or are you going to start a new one?